We also wanted to shine the light on all the work that he is {hopefully} doing early on in recovery. Jason goes into some of the internal work he is doing that she might not see - fighting for his integrity, fighting resignation, fighting to not adopt failure as an identity - just to name a few. We also talk about the work she will start to see - which is a byproduct of the internal work he is doing. Jason throws out the word characterological - which I question the validity of. I know better than to do this people. In Jason’s other life, he loves Jeopardy, cross word puzzles and all things word-related.

• Dusting off some blog post archives - a series on empathy and humility - here is part one, part two and part three.

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